 Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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Hello Everyone
Nice new photo Mario. I notice a 501 tiger insignia on the front plate beside the jeep. It got me to thinking and I checked my books and photos I have of 501 tigers for tigers.
Could 2/501 be the only part of this unit to paint the insignia on their tigers. I Know panzer III ‘s had them painted on.
All I could find was 121 had a tiger and a name on the right side of the tank like 731 Norbert.
Which lead me to believe 121 and 731 might have been the same tank or at least its turret ended up on another hull.
But the side shot of 121 you cant quite make out the name. If it is Maus or Norbert.
I digress sorry, But the only tigers I seem to find the tiger painted on are. 833, 823,712, 241,243,231 which are all ex 2 company tanks and the front plate in the new photo.
Just another one of my theories, what do you guys think.
Also do we know any more signal corps numbers for this series of pics.
We have 175521 or 221 for the new pic 175564 and 176000 for this group of Tigers and 175517-175519 for the three by the railroad (823,833,and 111).
Allen
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| Thema: 501 Tiger Verluste/losses in Afrika |
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John I think you are right about the tank you posted and the blown out mantlet one being the same tank.
It is just the weird angle that the photo of the soldiers looking in the turret from the hull.
We can't get a good match from the other two new photos. I believe it is too much of a coincidence of the angle and mantlet being blown out, not to be the same tank.
Hartmut I also believe your deduction of the turret shell being 241 OR 243. We already know that the hull of 241 became the target hull, and its turret was used as a spare I guess. More than likely we will probably find this too be 243.
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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Photo labeled near Bizerte,Algeria (Tunisia) . I think Algeria was a typo since there were no Tigers there.
The Photo is from roll again Second Armored the prelude to fame 1940-1943 Isbn d 904811 11 5
By Maj Norris H Perkins(Ret) and Michael E Rodgers.
This photo matchs a couple of others already posted here. It just looks like this one is a little earlier, with the forest in the background. Like these two previously posted and now posted in 1st Komp unidentified in the gallery. I do not know if this picture has been posted here are on anther discussion group , but I know I have seen it on the web somewhere.
http://www.tiif.de/bilder/501ANI11.jpg
http://www.tiif.de/bilder/501ANI13.jpg
http://www.tiif.de/bilder/501A712%202.jpg
Then the background forest is similar. Maybe the same area since 712 and 724 ex 112 were two of the last survivors.
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 Thema: Reversed shovel |
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Hello David
I searched all my saved pics of tigers and just found this one reversed shovel.
It just appears to me that the crew just stored the shovel backwards. The pic is from some online seller from a long ago acution and is just used for this discussion.
Allen
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| Thema: Possible 504 tiger Tunisia |
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This phot is from tiger combat tatics I dont have my info with me right now. The pic in the book believes this is russia.
I was thinking it is 504 because of the Soldiers all wearing tropical boots. I have only seen pics of Tiger crews wearing these boots in Tunisia. I could be wrong but that is my guess.
Allen
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| Thema: A new tiger picture Form a 3rd id veterans site |
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Checked info last night and the front view of the Tiger in the france section is A 508 Tiger.
It is in the gallery 508 italian 1944/45 listed as the Strasse Cori Artema tank.
The other pic is I believe a far view of the two tigers in the road in Cori . The 1st cori tank against the house 3rd pic
and the 3rd pic of cori on the gi standing by the turret.
Sorry for not checking first and posting in the unidentified section
Allen
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 503 42/43 |
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The book basicly is a general history of world war II and discusses the war prior to D-day .
It has a lot of none d day photos.
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| Thema: 211 |
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Got the wrong info on the After the Battle Article.
It is in issue 122 Page 36-37
Titled the Tigers of Mossa Lombarda by Jeffrey Plowman, Daniele Guglielmi, and Federico Peyrami
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| Thema: 211 |
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hello here is a pic of Spzabt 504 211 knocked out by new zealand tanks in Mossa Lombarda. There is a good story of this in after the battle 53 I think.
from Sheperd paines modeling tanks and military vehicles.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb300...il/DSCI3863.jpg
Page 47 1st pic in the middle of the page it is credited to the imperial war museum.
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| Thema: 501 Tiger Verluste/losses in Afrika |
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Both Photos are from Panzer Armee Afrika : Tripoli to Tunis by Peter Gudgin Arms and Armor press 1988. I have misplaced my notes from which pages they are on . Sorry for posting the 504 Tiger under tow on the 501 wrecks and losses as soon as I get time I will post it in the 504 section.
Allen
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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what appears to be part of a 2 of a turret number is over the bill of the last guys cap. Were my poor excuse of an arrow is.
My theory is after looking at all known hull crosses is 02. But not 100% because no photo of 211,243,or 200.
Allen
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| Thema: 501 Tiger Verluste/losses in Afrika |
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This is another photo of tiger 231 after being demolished. The track and hull blown in the weird postion is by the british testing hawkins grenades and mines on the tracks on the side with the soldiers standing.
More views in tiger tanks a british view.
Allen
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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Not sure if this is going to work but I am trying to link to the pics in other post.
http://i25.tinypic.com/347iv12.jpg
tiger 132 with guy in chair and one sitting on edge of hull
http://www.tiif.de/bilder/501nidarkmudguard1.jpg
possible 132 guy looking in arabs basket camo net on gun and guy with hands on hips with jerrycan at feet.
I think this is 132 the guy sitting on the edge of the turret looks like the guy with his hands on his hips.
I do not have the pic here but the pic of 132 doing track maint on the road the guy sitting on the track by the drive sproket looks like the guy looking in the basket.
Could this be 132?
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| Thema: Where is Tiger #11 in Tunisia? |
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Great work
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I believe that this tank is the same unid possible 111 kod at beja
Look at the new photo front view that hartmut spotted. Look at the top and left side of the loaders hatch. There is a greass stain or discolorationthat matches, also the upper left top of the mantlet edge is the same. I believe this is tiger 111 and mabye the balkenkreuz size is misleading us by a few mms because of photo angles and shadows. The tow cable in the side view of 111 is casting a shadow on the area. just my theory.
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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Great work Hartmut. I need to learn how to post pics with my post.
Your observations about the ghost weld marks and headlight cable are great. I did not even spot those. I was going on the location of the hull cross and other features.
Your close scan of 241 front plate really confirms the target hull .
Great spot on the name and hit by the drivers visor as well.
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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I believe 731 was a 1/501 tiger and not a 2/501.
The tank has recieved 2nd company mods of track beside drivers visor and hull mg but . It has the 1st company hull cross and sight blade thing on the turret. I have been trying to id this tiger and think it may be either 141 or 131 due to hull cross but am not 100% certain. What do you guys think?
I have been studying and going over photos of 501 tanks in tunisia and thought I would post my theory so far and see what you guys think.
I have a theoy on 2nd comp tanks below is what I have come up with so far.
200 no pic or id
211 no pic or id
213 possible 813
221,821 then finally 712
223 possible 823
231 ko’d on robaa road by AT guns
233 possible 833
241 possible target Hull
243
Possible unidentified pic ids.
The photo of the guy in hat talking to arab man with guy in background hands on hips with jerrycan at his feet.
Camo net barrel. I believe this is 132 the soldier in the track changing picture looks very simalar.
Picture with guys in front of tank near trees and camel in forground. I believe this is 141 The short stocky guy looks like the crewman in fron of 141 during engine change.
Allen
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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Hello Everyone
I have an observation about the tiger beside the panzer 3 with the mod rack on the rear deck. Sorry I have not figured out posting pics here yet but will try to explain.
This tiger also has a standard rear fender. So could this possibly be a 1/504 tiger.
I also have a possible id for Chris Browns post on page one 122? The unid tiger with the sdkfz 10 following. I believe this tiger is 142 not 122 as previsouly discussed.
Check out the broken tow cable above the top of the halftrack and right above the last side skirt.
Compare this with the pic of the motorcycle beside 142 and you can see a broken frayed tow cable right above the last skirt.
Hope this helps
Allen
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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Hello Guys
I belive the tiger behind the Sdkfz 231 is the upturned tiger from Beja.
I have the squadron afrika korps book and looke at the photo with the magnifiying glass and you can just make out what appears to be two hit repairs under the sight on the mantlet.
That match that tiger that in my belief is 111.
Allen
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| Thema: Tiger possible 508 or 504 |
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Hello Everyone
I found this photo in a book of a fighter pilot assinged to the 79th Fighter group 87 Fighter squadron.
The book is World War II Fighter Bomber Pilot By Bill Colsam
Isbn 0-8306-2368
The picture is credited to the U.S.Air Force on page 69
I Believe it is Italy but some of the other photos are of europe.
What do you guys think.
Allen
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| Thema: Post on missing links about this jagdtiger |
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Hello Mario
Thanks for clarifiying the locatation of this Jagdtiger with the interesting link you posted. I guess I should have learned by now not to take captions by authors or anyone as true until the actual location is verified.
Thanks again.
Allen
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| Thema: unidentifizierte Jagdtiger |
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Hello Mario
Great photo, can you make out a divisional patch on any of the soldiers in the picture.
That might lead to the location of the vehicle.
Thanks again for posting
Allen
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| Thema: Wrecks |
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Hello Everyone
Great video and photos. It has always been my belief that this is 111 of 1/501. I have no positive proof because their are not many shots of 111.The only confirmed photo of this tank before it was lost was in a column during or just before the operation.
I will check my notes on the subject tonight and reply tomorrow.
But from what I remeber from Herr Krebs page was his Tiger 112 was undergoing a motor change and was not in Oksenkopf pardon my spelling.So 111 was there and not 112.
Allen
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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I thoght that this was 731 but I could not scan the photos the missing right rear skirt is the give away and the grab handle ont he front.
I also think that this is Norbert.
But their are no pictures of the left side of the turret except the extreme close up of norbert and a 7
llen
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| Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien |
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Hello everyone.
I want to say great site to Hartmut and the team here.
I think the tank behind 132 in the above post is 131.If you look at the pics of 131 in the 501 tunisian galley the middle picture on the bottom with all the guys standing in from of 131.The view and trees are really similar to the above view .That is what leads me to believe this is the tank in the background.
Alllen
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