Ergänzung zur Gallerie Italien 1944/45

Hier können Bilder als Vorschläge zur Ergänzung der Galerie gepostet werden. Wenn sich Bilder nicht sebst erklären(durch Turmnummer z.B.) dann bitte weitere Informationen geben die die Zugehörigkeit zur Einheit belegen.

Here you can post pics to complete galerie. If the image dosn´t show automaticly(turret number etc.) that the Tiger belonged to this unit, please make plausible why it should be belonged to it

Tiger "234"

212

This pic I put forward for the 508 gallery, based on a location of Trieste provided in a veteran's biography



The building in the background matches this existing gallery pic of #212 of 504


Chris

Gallery pics

133?


221
3 pics of #221 in Cecina




222 or 223
Not the best of pics but a number is just about discernable


311



321?
The small digits look like '21'. The first digit is not a '1'. The location is not a match for #221, hence #321




322
Lugo, Senio river crossing 10th April 1945





2.Kp?
Ponsacco. 2.Kp has been suggested


Unknown
Senio river crossing 9-10th April 1945


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Chris

223

Gallery addition



Source: 'Tiger the History of a Legendary Weapon'

Chris.

2 Tigers from Northern Italy

Steel wheeled Tiger in Finale Emilia near Mantua and another from Fondo Palezzetto in the commune of Poggio Rusco.

Link: http://www.museofelonica.it/doc/stampa/S...na/lugago07.pdf

Scroll down to the second page. If needed you can increase the page size to 150%.

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Chris.

Some Tigers i have in my 504 folder

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Hartmut von Holdt

Dieser Tiger wird allgemein der sPzAbt.508 zugeordnet. Das Bild soll von einem Veteranen der 508 kommen, der in dazugehörigen Berichten von dem ungewöhnlichen Bogenkran erzählt.

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Hartmut von Holdt

Hallo Hartmut
ich würde ihn schon der 508 zuordnen,das Foto zeigt wohl denselben



Am Turm ist eine einzelne 1 zu erkennen.

Sehe ich auch so, sollte der Selbe sein.

Schönes Bild, kannte ich noch nicht!

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Hartmut von Holdt

504?

http://cgi.ebay.de/tiger-mit-sondermanns...A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.de/tiger-mit-gaesten_W0Q...A1%7C240%3A1318

Dieser Beitrag wurde schon 4 mal editiert, zum letzten mal von Alexander Chibisov am 27.11.2008 13:14.

Yes, nice find!

Good example of an 3.Kompanie Funklenk-Tiger.


Thanks for posting.

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Hartmut von Holdt

Dieser Beitrag wurde schon 3 mal editiert, zum letzten mal von Alexander Chibisov am 11.01.2009 21:20.

1.Kp Gallery Additions

two additions for the gallery, taken on the Wezep Training Grounds (Netherlands) prior to transport to Italy
100


121




Sources:
Tigers in Italy 1943-1945/Trojca
Tigers in Combat I/Schneider

Chris

2.Kp Gallery Additions

200
Again taken on the Wezep Training Grounds (Netherlands) prior to transport to Italy


221
Knocked out in Cecina



233


Sources:
Tigers in Italy 1943-1945/Trojca
Tigers in Combat I/Schneider
Website - Armorama

Link: http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=m...tid=2331&page=4
There are several period pics of 221 (already in the gallery) if you click through the pages of this excellent article.




Chris.

3.Kp Gallery additions

301


311



313


323


331





334


3x4


Gallery size:




Sources:
Tigers in Italy 1943-1945/Trojca
Tigers in Combat I/Schneider
Tiger I on the Western Front/Restayn
Tigers at the Front/Jentz
Ebay



Chris.

Ebay





Hier noch im Einsatz und dies sollte der selbe Tiger später als Wrack sein

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Hartmut von Holdt

Nice find Hartmut.

Can I ask what makes this Tiger 504 rather than 508?

Schneider in TIC I tells us that 508 received 45 mid-production Tigers featuring cast cupolas and rubber wheels during December 1943 and January 1944, whilst in France (numbers + time period coonfirmed by Mario's Zuweisungsliste post). Schneider also tells us that 504 received 45 Tigers in early 1944 (starting Feb 29th per Mario's post) and all 45 had steel wheels.

This would make mid-production rubber wheeled Tigers in 504 most unlikely before February 1945. Subsequently it is feasible if any were amongst the 15 survivors received from 508.

Does not 508 appear the more likely owner?

Chris.

Well, i spend a little time again to compare all the Italy Tiger in my folder. I thought there were more mid produktion in 504 but actualy theres no prove. Allso the modification for the jerry cans in the back was for me so far an 504 feature.

But probable it is that simple like you said and we can give him to 508 just because of his build date. Maybe then we can make out a "3" on the turret bin?

Anyway....lets put all mids to 508 untill we see any mid in 504.

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Hartmut von Holdt

Correction

The gallery pics listed as #322 are actually #332, as revealed in Mario's link on the 508 thread.





Chris

504 not 508

This pic is in the 508 gallery currently.


There are 7 photos of this Tiger in the book 'Panzerwrecks 9' where the location is given as Medicina and the date as April 1945 which make it a 504 vehicle even if it had originally been with 508.

Chris.

222 or 223

This Tiger from the book Panzerwrecks 9 was linked previously by Evgeniy Muzalkov. It carries the turret #222 or 223 and was knocked out on 23JUN44 near Giuncarico off Highway 6.


Link:
http://www.modelarmour.com/index.php?opt...ooks&Itemid=60#

Chris.

Ein ähnliches Foto ist im neuen Panzerwrecks 9 enthalten,da der Tiger eine Antennenhalterung an der Turmseite hat ist er sehr wahrscheinlich von der 3./sPzAbt 504 oder 3./sPzAbt 508.


Meiner Meinung nach zeigt dieses Foto denselben Tiger einige Zeit früher,als Ort habe ich Ravenna(leider weiß ich die Fotoquelle nicht mehr).
Es könnte also ein Tiger der 3./sPzAbt 504 sein.

#200

Source : Combat History of Schwere Panzer Abteilung 508

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Chris.

Massa Lombarda

Interesting description of the 2.Kp engagement at Massa Lombarda from the Allied perspective.

Includes this pic of #211


Source: R o y a l N e w Z e a l a n d A r m o u r e d C o r ps A s s o c i a t i on

Link:
http://rnzac.co.nz/newsl/may2006.pdf

Chris.

504? 200?

Phil Appleyard very kindly sent me this pic of a Tiger in Italy he'd found on a Canadian veteran/enthusiasts site:



I went through the 508 and 504 threads and galleries but struggled to find a match.
I noticed what looks like part of a large white '2' under the Canadians right arm:



I think it might be a match for '200' posted a couple posts up by Chris. But a photo taken early before it was stripped of any of it's 'non-welded down' parts.
There are a couple of matches plus the background looks the same.
On the new pic; note there's a chunk of the front left (non-cut out) tow eye missing.



Anyone recognise this Tiger?

Grant.

Gallery size:

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vanhall

Hi Grant,

Schneider tells us that #200 and #211 were lost the same day, but this is not a match to #211 (has cut-outs). The large building on the hill top behind makes this a match to #200 for me.

Cheers,

Chris.

504?

Captioned as Ortona in December 1943 by the Loyal Edmonton Regiment Museum site. This is unlikely as late Tigers were not deployed to Italy until April 1944 for 508 and June 1944 for 504.

Hopefully someone knows more about this one?

Link: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/pm_v2.php?id...00455&rd=115481

The Loyal Edmonton Regiment met Tigers near Rimini in September 1944, claiming one destroyed in San Lorenzo in Monte on 18/19 September. TIC places 504 in this location and records three non-combat losses for the night of the 18th.

If the photo was obtained around that time, it is probably 504 rather than 508.

Descriptions of the action can be found here...
http://www.legionmagazine.com/en/index.p...e-army-part-83/

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/caj/documen...vol6.1_17_e.pdf Scroll to p56

Chris.

221 again

From here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=167341

Chris.

And Again....

Another photo of #221 in Cecina, from the Bill Petz collection

Gallery Size:


Also posted by Bill is this pic which is currently in the 508 gallery as being in the Rome area



Link:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...t=58582&page=49

Chris.

504 not 508?

I queried Bill Petz about the photos in the above post. He responded... "They only thing written on the reverse is " Knocked out German Tank" These two Tiger photos were taken by the same GI which I believe were removed from his photo album and sold separately on Ebay."

Link:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...t=58582&page=49

So if one is definitely from 504, is the second more likely 504 than 508 too?



I posted it originally as a 508 candidate of unknown location. It was galleried as 'bei Rom', which would confirm 508 if correct.

Any thought on switching galleries to 504?

Chris.